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Post Canadian Health Care Survivor Tells His Story 
http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Single payer health systems are probably fine for routine medical care, checkups and immunizations.

Just don't get seriously ill.

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Yes, nobody has ever had a problem in American hospitals right?

And that's if you have insurance in the first place.

I'm sure the systems in Canada and the UK aren't perfect. But neither is ours. And for the now approaching 50% of working age Americans and families without insurance, the Canadian and UK systems would be way above what you've got here.

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Not suggesting for a second that US medical system isn't flawed, X.

Just saying that I would be apoplectic (if I could spell that) if my health coverage provider told me that I would have to wait months for a diagnostic test that would determine if I had a growing, potentially fatal brain tumor. And then months more waiting for surgery because I was too far down on the care que to get surgery as the tumor continued to grow unchecked? Me not think so!

Particularly if part of the reason behind that care rationing was that Willie The Wino had spent a large portion of my share of it for his umpteenth trip to detox this year on his unlimited emergency healthcare coverage. Review the story about the 9 Texans and their 2,500 hospitalizations. Think they'll stop taking the crazy and chemical dependent to ER's if they get national health care in the future? No way. Virtually every municipality now has a no questions asked hospital care policy for public intoxicants and crazies, because they've been sued so many times for failing to get them out of harms way and they wind up getting killed or crippled stumbling around in their states of stupor...

There's a fairly large portion of the "uninsured" in urban areas right there- the frequent flyers. Going to a national system isn't going to eliminate that cost at all. It will just shift it to a different level of the tax system, and filter it back down to the locals.

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thrice wrote:
http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

Single payer health systems are probably fine for routine medical care, checkups and immunizations.

Just don't get seriously ill.



This video is from the same morons who brought you
"Uninsured in America"

Yes, lots of us have no health insurance because we'd rather go out drinking.

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Post NYT Letter From Disgruntled Canadian 
Waiting for Care in Canada

Please, please, study the Canadian model more closely before adopting anything remotely related to it.

I am an American with dual citizenship in Vancouver. I have been on a waiting list for surgery for bleeding intestinal ulcers for ten months; after waiting two years to see various specialists. We always have rationing of health care and drugs. The government and the Web sites say my waiting time is five and a half weeks. But cancer patients come first.

When I complained to my family doctor and asked for help he said I was trying to queue jump and that there were thousands of other suffering patients just like me. I will end up having to do what so many others have done; borrow the money to come to the states and get the surgery.

kayanna

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We ration medical care here too.

Ask anyone without insurance, or who's presented the option to pay $1,000 a month for COBRA while unemployed.

Bring it on, I say.

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citizenx wrote:
We ration medical care here too.

Ask anyone without insurance, or who's presented the option to pay $1,000 a month for COBRA while unemployed.

Bring it on, I say.


X, I don't like the current setup either. I'll begin from there.

1. No, really medical care is not rationed for people without insurance.
To say that it is sounds like the people who say that if the government doesn't buy you ink and publish your novel, they're censoring you. Granted, there's a problem getting some third party to PAY for your healthcare. The question is-when did that become a natural born right? I'm noticing lately that they're being pretty stingy about rationing built in swimming pools, because they haven't delivered my free one yet.

I agree it's pretty clear that government needs to intervene on this issue because it's become such a huge portion of the GDP and cost of living. But I see that as appropriate because of the economy of scale and the efficiency of risk pooling vs individual self insurance, not because we have a God given right to be seen and treated by a doctor for no individual cost.

You can get as much as you can buy, unlike a government run single payer system that forbids you from receiving "free" treatment until they give permission or the St Lawrence River runs dry, whichever comes first. That's what drives Canadians here.

2. If a person is unemployed, they are certainly making a low enough income that they would qualify for MNCare, the local version of the SCHIP/Medicaid government subsidized healthcare that covers families up to $50,000+ income per year. From what I've read of it, the benefits meet or exceed the family policy I get from my job, and at a much lower cost to the policyholder.

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