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Kill The Bill Rally At State Capitol Saturday
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WHAT:

Rally Protesting Planned Vote on ObamaCare

WHEN:

Saturday, March 13
Noon – 1:00 p.m.

WHERE:

Upper Mall of Minnesota State Capitol
75 Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, MN 55155
Parking map

WHO:

Minnesota Congressional Representatives and
Advocacy Group Leaders. Speakers include:

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann
Congressman John Kline
Twila Brase, CCHC
Ed Morrissey, Hot Air Blog
Dr. Lee Kurisko, M.D.
Rep. Mark Buesgens
Barb Davis-White
Emceed by Sue Jeffers, KTLK Radio

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It's the "we all have health insurance, what's the problem?" rally.

I'm sure there is a bunch that is wrong with the Obama plan. Especially if it involves changes to the status quo for that most important of healthcare procedures, the blessed abortion.

We need some sort of solution to the health care situation other than "get a job with a big company or go without" and year after year after year of 20% premium increases. And "want a policy of your own? please give us a detailed 5 year medical history"

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Agreed, it's a tangled mess. Neither side in the debate is inclined to tell the whole truth, whether it be the Paul Krugman "free ice cream for everybody!" approach or the bootstrappers who tell us to just save more in our piggy banks and get a good job.

I agree with those on both sides of the aisle who say that one massive bill isn't the right answer. There are plenty of reforms that could be done incrementally and have huge effects, but the Dems are in desperate need of a large splashy accomplishment in 2010 to save their bacon at the voting booth this fall after a series of resounding losses to Republicans recently. Pelosi's quote that "we need to pass this bill so we can find out what's in it" is one of the most amazing political statements I've ever heard.

A few facts seem self evident to me:

-demographic trends of Baby Boomers shows that they are entering a care-intensive period of their life cycle, and medical outlays will increase regardless of anything else for the 50-60 million people in that generation

-the conflict of interest between doctors and referred testing and treatment centers needs examination.

-the practice of discounting bills to insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid but charging full price to cash-paying individuals defies all logic. How is it cheaper to provide care to a Blue Cross patient with all the accompanying paperwork than it is to a single person who gets treated and then hands the cash over the counter?

-the funding mechanisms of Medicare and Medicaid are insolvent in the near future

-recipients of free public care must bear some consequences for their care. Why should Willy The Wino get admitted to the hospital for his umpteenth passout in the gutter and walk away untouched personally, while you would get billed for thousands in deductibles and copays even with good insurance if you got a snootfull and passed out in public?

-recipients of free public (read "charitable") care should be barred or severely limited in their ability to sue for malpractice. Pretty damned ironic that doctors and hospitals have to shell out millions in malpractice premiums to protect themselves from suits by people who did not pay a dime or work a day for their own care or insurance. Stopping that little cottage industry should significantly drop the costs to providers of those free services.

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thrice wrote:

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-the practice of discounting bills to insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid but charging full price to cash-paying individuals defies all logic. How is it cheaper to provide care to a Blue Cross patient with all the accompanying paperwork than it is to a single person who gets treated and then hands the cash over the counter?
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The problem is that the patient never hands the cash over the counter... because the clinic or hospital frequently has no idea what the bill is before the person walks away.

Can you imagine going to a fancy restaurant with no prices on the menu, or no menu at all?

This business which is supposedly 17% of our economy has a business model where prices are not disclosed or discussed ahead of time, people rarely shop around, people with insurance pay pennies on the dollar for services, other people are charged full price for services but rarely pay or only pay after the bill goes to collection, etc etc etc

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"people rarely shop around, people with insurance pay pennies on the dollar for services, other people are charged full price for services but rarely pay or only pay after the bill goes to collection"

This is where the Bush Admin and others really irked me with their recommendations when this issue was being kicked around late in their administration.

A $4000 tax credit (as I recall) for people buying their own insurance? My annual bill, for a middle road policy including employer contribution, is about $16,000. So I'm supposed to eat the other $1000 per month (assuming one could get group rates) and dance for joy?

Non-solution.

Another recommendation was to increase use of Healthcare Savings Accounts. That's the piggy bank solution for people with no insurance.

It makes no sense. At least not for me, or the average person. Even for a fairly routine medical history, one's costs are very unpredictable. I get lab work done every few months. Am I asked about it? Nope. The doc just checks off a few boxes on the form and shows me where the lab is. I don't even know what they're for until later, or unless I've had them before and know their purpose. Unusual complaint? Sky's the limit. I've had knee pain lately, and had an exam for it, an x ray for it, prescriptions for it, and now physical therapy planned. An MRI is not unlikely at some point. So this complaint of "my knee hurts" might wind up costing me or my insurance a couple grand- and nobody even really knows what's causing it after all that hoopla. So how much would I need to set aside every month just to be sure that everything was covered on the primary clinic basis, God forbid hospitalization?

Savings account my arse. Then again, if I had Paul Krugman's life and my wife and I were both on the payroll (at a top secret salary) of Princeton, the New York Times, a few corporate boards and lecture circuits, and lived in a $2 million apartment in NYC, medical bills would be largely irrelevant and I could busy myself redistributing other peoples' money.

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