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Why are so many people so vehement in their denial that human beings have anything to do with global warming?

I would love to believe this is a natural cyclical occurance, but there are too many coincidental happenings for my peace of mind. We have more humans on the planet than ever before. We use more fossil fuel than ever before.

What I don't understand is why there has been this violent, insistent denial from so many otherwise logical people about any human based cause to global warming. Any ideas?

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I'm not in denial myself, LadyM, just skeptical.

The point has repeatedly been made that the Earth has warmed and cooled drastically a number of times before industry was ever imagined, and no one in the "human blamers" will respond to that fact.

I have seen weather changes myself, and you have too, in the El Nino and La Nina cycles that we have repeatedly experienced, and are perfectly natural weather cycles.

I took another look the other day at the Kyoto Treaty issue. Even Saintly Bill Clinton wouldn't bother trying to get it ratified, much less George W. I found that heavily industrialized, gigantically populated, heavily polluting India and China were exempt from emissions controls in that treaty, and the Russians wouldn't sign it until they were assured that they could trade off their heavy pollution emissions for carbon credits from Tasmania and Tahiti. It seems awfully convenient for rapidly growing manufacturers to hamstring their competitors in the US with controls and emissions costs at the same time they're competing for their markets, doesn't it?

There seems to be a pretty consistent pattern of that kind of thing. Jack up prices for tennis shoes in the US, so that employees in Vietnam get a raise- to levels dictated by socialists in the US.

All in all, I'd love to see much less pollution. I am not happy to see commuters driving to work in Humvees, Benzes, and Suburbans, and then bitching about how bad the economy is, to boot. Who the hell are these people, and where do they work? I would be glad to see corporate executives put in jail for putting toxins in our water. I would also love to be able to put water in my gas tank and drive to work. I couldn't care less if Exxon ever makes another dime.

I'm just tired of seeing the whole thing blamed on Americans. If we were the selfish SOB's that our critics claim there are, there would be a lot less of them, because they would have starved to death without our charity.

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I'm just tired of seeing the whole thing blamed on Americans. If we were the selfish SOB's that our critics claim there are, there would be a lot less of them, because they would have starved to death without our charity.


Can you clarify this for me, thrice?

Who would have starved without our charity?

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LadyM wrote:
Why are so many people so vehement in their denial that human beings have anything to do with global warming?

I would love to believe this is a natural cyclical occurance, but there are too many coincidental happenings for my peace of mind. We have more humans on the planet than ever before. We use more fossil fuel than ever before.

What I don't understand is why there has been this violent, insistent denial from so many otherwise logical people about any human based cause to global warming. Any ideas?


LadyM,

What in particular strikes you as "violent" about my skepticism on the human-caused basis for global warming? Have I blown up anything? Have I tossed blood on people who wear certain types of clothing? Have I even used coarse language when discussing it?

I know I'm not the only person you probably had in mind, but it has been a topic I've been posting about a lot lately, so I think I'm probably part of your question at least.

Now, I've done none of those things mentioned above. But there are left-leaning extremists (none on this board) who have tried to set off bombs on companies and facilities they believe to be polluters, there are "animal rights" groups who regularly toss blood on fur- and leather-wearing celebrities, and even a couple members of this forum (present company excluded) who use coarse language when they decide to attack my character rather than counter my arguments.

So I'm pretty sure "violent" doesn't properly describe me, at least, and I'm not sure it describes many people on my "skeptical" side of this issue.

Now, I'm open to new information from scientists of both sides; I am a well-read person. But it seems to me the whole Paris conference is extremely premature and is driven by political and economic self-interest forces, not the preponderance of thoroughly researched and conclusive scientific investigation.

As I've said before, one cannot rush to conclusions and arrive at the truth, especially in science. One cannot silence those who find contrary evidence, and feel secure in a scientific conclusion. And one cannot spend a century at most (and more like 40 years at best with the more modern equipment) studying weather patterns and drawn conclusions about cycles that may last multiple centuries.

Furthermore, too many are conveniently ignoring a simple truth: About 30 years ago, global cooling and a new Ice Age was the prevailing theory, with the same kind of panic-driven hysteria over it; now, we're being told its exactly the opposite and yet are expected to stifle our laughter and take it seriously?

Sorry, but the case simply has not been made... yet. But I remain open to new evidence... from both sides... as long as it's scientific evidence and not hyperbole and politically-driven polemics from Al Gore and other non-scientist celebrities... If they had the truth, then by Ted Danson's theory, we're all supposed to be dead right now!

When was the last time Ted Danson was published in Scientific American, again?

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