Bronson Orlando McNeal - "Thief of Hearts"

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:40 pm

AnissaBrks wrote:I already have a civil judgement against him. The only problem is that he does not have a job, a bank account, assets, or anything else a normal adult has.

AnissaBrks - You were very courageous for taking this scam artist to court. You didn't give in to those who want to shame or embarrass you into silence. You did make some questionable choices, but that didn't give any criminals the justification to commit a crime on you. In the same way, if I chose not to lock my door for a year, that unwise decision doesn't give a thief the right to come to my home and walk out with my big screen TV.

AnissaBrks wrote: It would be interesting to see if it would be ignored if a group of women went to the police...

You are both a victim and a witnes to a serious crime. Yes, if you can find more victims/witnesses, you can work with city/county/state/federal prosecutors to build a strong case. One victim/witness may not be enough, but 2 or 3 may be enough for prosecutors to prove his criminal behavioral pattern and bring charges against him. I bet this is what happened in the Hanad Samantar case. Hanad Samantar has been charged and is sought by the police.

Here is another story about the arrest of a serial sweetheart swindler. The case shares a lot of similarities with what had happened to you, to Katherine and what may be happening right now to other women.

FOX 9 picked up this story. Why stop there? Call NBC Dateline, ABC 20/20, CBS 60 Minutes ..., I am sure the network news magazines would love expose a scam like this. Perhaps victims other states will come forward. If so, it will be FBI's job to seek justice.

probe · Post by **probe** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:15 pm

OK Folks:

Of course those swindled by this man are partially to blame. That is not the point, he promised to repay (me at least) and he has not. He has a serious gambling addiction so there is not chance that suing him will do any good. But I cant beleive there is not evidence of a crime here. How about we victims get a group together, meet with an attorney. This will take courage..but it will be following Katherine's lead. I appreciate her making this public.

Someone suggested contacting other news media. I agree, I am sure he has victims around the world. WE should definitely put him on dontdatehimgirl.com. Anyone interested post it here.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:30 pm

People should be aware. Under Minnesota law, it is a crime to knowingly expose another person to a communicable disease, per criminal statute 609.2241. If you find yourself in this situation, it might be a good idea to make a report!

probe · Post by **probe** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Thrice that is good to know. That is why his vicitims need to get together. Anyone have skills on setting up a website?

I think some women might be much more willing to step up of they can do it anonymously at first. Seriously, maybe his time has come...at least in the Twin Cities and maybe the entire country. Nothing ever dies on the web.

probe · Post by **probe** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:51 pm

OH yeah...he called me for some reason about 1 year after we "split." Told me he was in town for the holidays. When i asked what he was calling me for...he said "to take you back to Arizona and get married." I just hung up....This man has some serious issues.

anothervictim · Post by **anothervictim** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:02 am

So I'm from the West Coast and I am a victim. He gave me the same storyas he has for everyone else. I was only out a few grand luck me when he left and confirmed he would send the money at the end of the week when he closes up some business at home and be back the following week that was almost a year ago.

AnissaBrks · Post by **AnissaBrks** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:52 am

Let's try to get together and do something about this fool. I don't know how many are reading this but if you are, I have set up a myspace to share stories and get together. The site is http://www.myspace.com/bronsonswindledme

I have had other women call me after he stole their money. If you know others, direct them to the site.

probe · Post by **probe** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:05 am

Anissa:

Thank you for taking the lead on making sure he is on front street until the internet no longer exists!!. I will be checking it out tonite.

I put him on Dontdatehimgirl.com. Had someone posting calling me Cassie, with her phone number. My name is not Cassie though.

I would call on everyone to stop responding to his so called supporters. I mean who cares what they think? If they want to waste thier time defending this psychopath that is on them, we dont need to give them anymore energy responding, they clearly are as sick as he is. It sounds like there are many, many victims out there and he could be charged with spreading venereal diseases if not theft by swindle.

Thank you again.

probe · Post by **probe** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:13 pm

do what you need to do, I understand your trepidation.

What he did to that woman was horrible, but she didnt post the profile on DDHG and I take no responsibility for any of his actions. He is responsible for what he does.

Protect your identity at all costs, dont let Him or his so called supporters (who I suspect are really him) intimidate you. Keep all discussions of what he did to you very general, do not give him a way to identify who you are.

He is the one who has no shame. There is postings on myspace by a kid he coached. He doesnt care about what this does to his own child, the one he "takes care" of, that is. And I do believe his babies momma is in on the scam.

The fact that he cannot identify who posted things about him, proves he has many, many victims. Its like the rape victim who hides her rape. When she does that she just ensures there will be further victims.

whatthe? · Post by **whatthe?** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:08 pm

blah blah blah

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:35 pm

Does anyone recall the biggest corporate scam in the US history, engineered by Enron's Jeff Skilling and Ken Lay?

There are a lot of similarities between Bronson McNeal and Jeff Skilling/Ken Lay. The Enron thieves stole billions from tens of thousands of Enron employees and Enron's shareholders. If Jeff Skilling only conned John Doe and Jane Smith, it would not have been a big story and Jeff Skilling wouldn't have been sitting in a jail cell in Waseca. But too bad he had caused sufferings of too many people. Bottom line? If you conned too many people, it doesn't matter how smooth you are! Jeff Skilling didn't put a gun to anyone's head, but he has got more years than a highway robber.

AnissaBrks and Probe: you are courageous to take the lead. The key is to find out other victims and take the case to city/county/state/federal prosecutors. The following is quoted from Tom Lyden's report.

Through court records and direct contact, we’ve identified seven women, all in the metro area, who say Bronson McNeal owes them money. One victim, who says she loaned him $60,000, says she believes there are more victims who live out of state.

If Tom Lyden could track down other victims, so could you. All court records are public records. Perhaps it's worthwhile to dig through the records and find out their contact info. Copy these records and take them to prosecutors.

Don't go to the police. For money scams like this, police can't really do much. In the Enron scandal, you didn't hear any Enron employees who called the police and got Ken Lay or Jeff Skiling arrested! It the prosecutor's job to build a case and file charges. Or do what "thrice" suggested: report the money he scammed from you to IRS. Make Bronson McNeal IRS or FBI's problem. Remember the Chicago mob boss Al Capone was put away on tax evasion.

Get more media attention out of this so you can reach more victims: Contact Tom Lyden to see if he wants to do a follow-up story.

Channel 5 has a "Fighting for You" segment. Contact them at: kjanicek@kstp.com with your stories.

Or call national network like Dateline, 20/20, 60 Minutes. It's my understanding that if you can find a victim in another state, he will be FBI's problem.

unreal · Post by **unreal** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:09 am

PROBE!!! I saw you on Dont Date Him Girl. COM How did they know it was you. What happened to your postings on The VOX?????
I think we all need to be careful with him. Do we want our faces on that sites, or are personall information plastered all over the WORLD WIDE WEB!!!!!
I don't think so.

probe · Post by **probe** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:27 am

No he posted who he thinks posted that ad on DDHG.com. Anyway, doesnt anyone wonder why he is dating girlD in high school? EWWWW

Yesterday it was another woman. Lord, he probably made all that shit he wrote about those two. Good God HE IS A PROVEN LIAR. If people beleive him, that is stupid after all that has come to light. Notice, HE is not saying he DIDNT do the things he is accused of. No, he is saying that these women cant get over him using them because they are weak, have low self-esteem ect., ect. blah, blah, blah blah. What the HELL does that have to do with the price of beans in China? Its an old game, the best defense is a good offense.

Anywho, since he has so generously begun to offer the names of his victims, I have forwarded some information to the Mpls Police and FBI. SERIOUSLY I DID. I cant believe he is not guilty of some kind of fraud when he is having people send money under false pretenses all over the country. Someone said he stole a check.

highlife · Post by **highlife** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:02 pm

Yes, he does scam women out of money and claims to have so much, but really he has so little as well as dignity!!! Cause I am one of the many victims. The only person I feel sorry for in this case is, not myself cause I was the one who fell for his deception, his children. The reason is cause they are going to have to live with people making fun of them for having a LOSER dad who does nothing for them!!! And that he is a LOSER!!! The fact of the matter is: HE WILL STILL BE DOING THIS TO WOMEN TIL HE DIES unless the women whom he scammed can get together and fight. The reason I say this because I at least found out early what his motive was cause I found in it in his own possessions!! Bronson, lets just say sometimes we(women)can be smarter than you think!!! I just feel said for those who have lost out on life savings cause it is hard to get your life back on track after something traumatic like happens to you!! But the only thing I can really say is that (like what others have already) he gets help for his addiction so that he actually can be a valuable asset to his children and society, but I see that not happening anytime in the near future. And as a last thought to those women who have been scammed by Bronson all I can say is that KARMA IS A BITCH!! It will definitely come back to bite him in the ass soon enough. Trust me on that!!!

lula devine · Post by **lula devine** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:28 pm

Very interesting.

This individual is a poster boy for addiction. It has clearly deprived him if any semblance of a life, which is so sad since he is in the treatment capital of the world. Can you imagine living such a worthless, purposeless life. What a waste of space he is..not as a human being, he was created by God after all, but he clearly is not living up to the standards that God or even decent society. He contributes nothing, can you imagine having your fathers name all over for this? He is a parasite, a hollow man, in fact Hollow Man is a good name for him.

You people supporting him are almost as pathetic. Is this a person you would really call a friend? If you have children, is Hollow Man what you aspire for them to be? If so, you also need help.

To his victims, good can come out of even the worst experiences. From what I can see he is trying to intimidate you by saying you still want him, despite much evidence to the contrary. I mean people call the authorities on people they love? I think not. He is trying to intimidate you by putting awful things out there about women. I agree with a previous commentator, he is a liar, why would anyone believe him? More importantly why would you care what a bunch of strangers think about you. How could the rantings of a CON MAN hurt anyones reputation.

Women stay strong and unite. Dont let Hollow Man intimdate you. there is nothing of substance there, I am sure if you are dedicated, you can find a measure of justice.

BTW, isnt it clear to you that unreal and wtf are actually him? I cant beleive ANYONE can be so dedictated to this parasite.

probe · Post by **probe** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:34 pm

So what happened to the webpage for victims? I will explore some other vehicles to putting something up.

I will update y'all.

probe · Post by **probe** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:21 pm

http://www.freewebs.com/snowjustice/index.htm

I started a page for us to congregate. I dont know what the hell I am doing so it looks like crap. Apparently Mr. McNeal feels its ok to to besmirch the names of innocent women but he does seem to have gone to some effort to have comments removed. Also looks like he got the page on myspace shut down. Lets see what we can do at that webpage.

Ok so drop me a line. Lets exchange stories and see what we can do to finally get this idiot. I mentioned his name exactly ONE time and I dont want to mention it any more. I like what we called before but his name has to appear so it can be googled.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:30 pm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romancescams/

Victims of scams are posting on this group, including names and pictures of known scammers. They're showing 6000 members! Wow.

Post by **mplsfind** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:19 am

This story was seen on tonight's FOX 9 News. It is a follow-up of the original report about Bronson McNeal.

Discussion Groups Unite Against Bronson McNeal -- Watch the video by clicking on the link inside the box labeled "SideBar"

Terry Wu has turned into a knight in shining armor for those women. He runs minneapolisfinder.com, where a discussion group on McNeal's romantic conquests has generated more than 4,000 hits -- some siding with McNeal.

Wu says McNeal is now threatening to sue him and his website for slander. But Wu isn't pulling the plug. The internet is how McNeal meets women and he says it's only fair that it warns them too.

Here is the original story by FOX 9:

Thief of Hearts -- Watch the video by clicking on the link inside the box labeled "SideBar"

whatcomesaround · Post by **whatcomesaround** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:04 am

Hooray!! I am so glad this loser is finally being exposed! What a poor example for his own children, and an embarrasment.

As for everyone who is so quick to bash the girls - get a grip. You all become real smart about a swindler when you see judgements out on him for hundreds of thousands of dollars, don't you? You must be the exceptional handful of perfect people in all of creation who have never ever misjudged another human being or made any mistakes in life, right? Good for you.

Many seem to assume these were all stupid women with low self-esteem, trying to buy love. Whatever. Many were smart. Many were self-confident. All trusted the wrong human being, or whatever you want to call a person who could lower himself to do this kind of thing. I suppose that if you are a person who walks around hiding something, lying to others, etc., I suppose you WOULD be able to pick one of your own out in a crowd. As for myself, I knew this creep, or so I thought. Was always apparent that he had money, and lots of it - or so I thought. Go figure that I don't assume that people who gamble high stakes in a casino are swindling every penny from their date!! I should have known! Stupid me! Excuse me for not having the same thought processes as a criminal.

Cheers

to all the girls who have gone forward, despite all the help they receive by friends, family, co-workers, police, etc. calling them "stupid" for "giving" their money away to buy love. Thanks for all the help. As for the comparison to rape and murder and other haneous crimes; I know exactly what you are saying. If one were to go to the police or a friend or family member, you might get the same helpful response. However, thanks to those victims who have stepped up and come forward, more criminals are being stopped nowadays. None of us "victims" is crying out for a friggin' HUG, or a POOR ME! We want the a**hole stopped so other women don't have to go thru the b.s. I reckon you would have a different attitude about this creep if he had taken all your little sister's money, or your girlfriend or wife's money. Then again, maybe not.

sajsaj · Post by **sajsaj** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:31 am

I thank the other victims of Bronson's for stating the truth. Those of us that were victims of his charm know exactly what the truth is and don't need to listen to the negative comments against the women. We all know we made a mistake and have to live with it. But the sad truth is he will continue to do this to others. I can relate to everything that is being said, I shutter to think of how many women he was dating/talking to at the same time. I also hate to think of cars I have ridden in with him and I apologize to those women in which they belong.

I feel fortunate that I didn't lose my life savings, but enough to make me struggle for awhile. As others have stated he finds those that may be vunerable and in need of those positive comments he so often will give a woman.

I don't feel sorry for him because he knew what he was doing all along but rather his family. They shouldn't have to feel the rath of his bad judgement.

Ladies be strong and learn from this one.

axel · Post by **axel** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:20 am

I was his landlord and he owes me thousands of dollars. He had many different women paying his rent, then he stopped paying altogether. He had the most expensive car, clothes, furniture and he couldn't make rent. He made lots of promises and he had lots of excuses. He needs to be stopped.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:03 am

I am watching the news with my husband lastnight when I see Mr. McNeal's picture. Though unable to recall a name, I remember the face. This character has been around for decades. During the 90's you could find him at all the local bars and clubs. When speaking, you could hear the bs and watching him, you could see the con. Let me say, I do not have the mind of a criminal. I like to think of it as trusting my gut feeling or you may say common sense. I am not judging. I realize each woman's perception is her reality. I would also venture to guess, when they were handing over the cash or lending the car, etc., something would have told them this is against their better judgement. What kind of person would ask anyone beside a bank for $38,000???!!! HUGE RED FLAG!!! If a guy asked to borrow money, he was gone. Why would I date anyone who was broke!!!! Let this be a wake up call......he runs a scam. It was obvious from the outside.....I know, "can't see the forest through the trees". Now that the lesson is learned. Time to move on. If filing a lawsuit eases the pain, I understand. The reality is he will never have any means to repay. If you need to be validated.....yes, what he did was morally wrong. I am sure it was painful. No one likes to have their heart broken or the bank account empty. Just a thought......to avoid both.....remember most relationships don't last.....if you have SO MUCH extra money that you don't know what to do, donate to charity at least it is tax deductible and there is some return. And being the smart woman I am, I would bet every woman that was fooled was also intimate with this clown. Hopefully, you protected your health better than you finances. Final thought aren't you glad he was only a con.....just think if he would have been some psycho killer.......I know, you would have been able to recognize that....right

justice · Post by **justice** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:40 pm

kATHERINE, kATHERINE, kATHERINE, how stupid are you come on i have scene your picture and for a man as good looking as bronson to even be scene with you should cost money honey don't you realize that men that are gorgeous without a job play on stupid women like yourself and actually i think you owe him some more money to think if he had sex with you with that body girl plz consider yourself repayed and the police girl plz you have nothing but a civil case if anything and if you have nothing signed saying it was a loan that your ass of luck , police have better things to do if he did not steal the money from you they have no cause how stupid are you! be greatful and learn from it why is that the you ugly ducklings luck up on a cute guy and lose your mine a man that is gorgeous without a job and tons of kids only wants to be supported .why should all females all the sudden rally behind you and your stupidity i have better things to do and as you accused someone else NO! i do not know bronson.

justice · Post by **justice** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:22 pm

People leave his family out of it really were you sleeping with or paying them i am sure they are talking to him about what he's done but only he can answer to what he's done and the kids almost all of you stated that they would be embarssed by this how may i ask if you claim that they don't really know him. don't involve innocent people to make yourselves feel better about being stupid his family did not date you and until you were left behind you had no problem giving him money that's what's sad about it , he asked you gave.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:33 pm

Justice-
You are hilarious. And you don't even know Bronson, do you? Hey girl, he didn't even leave you any periods to end your sentences with. Poor guy- driving around all day in the Land Rover, begging at the casinos to support his kids. Huh? How stupid do you think we are? Stupid enough to think that this isn't Bronson once again attacking people for telling it like it is about him? I don't think so...

KatieD · Post by **KatieD** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:45 pm

Bronson, gorgeous? For real? Who paid you for that?

QRious1017 · Post by **QRious1017** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:05 pm

Am I suprised, no not really. I played basketball at North, so I got to know of Bronson, but him and I never really got along for reason that I will make the focus of my discussion. I actually feel sorry for the guy, because I care a great deal for his brother who I do consider a friend.

Bronson is a victim of his own popularity in my opinion. Certain things you shouldn't have early in life until you have the maturity to deal with them and Bronson came upon to much to early and under the wrong circumstances. Just speaking from what I've heard, this has pretty much been how he operates since high school. Again, I don't know personally because I've never been that close.

On one occasion I was at the house of a female I was dating and spent the night, she had a friend who was caucasion, the one I was dating was african-american. He was dealing with the caucasion friend and came over that morning and discovered I was there as I was coming out of the bathroom and heading to the bedroom. He wanted to talk to me, however my girl at the time did not want me to talk to him for reasons she told me later, and it's the very same reason we're having these discussions right now. So, she did not inform me that he wanted to talk so I never came out of her room. and he took it as a DIS to him, which leads me to my primary point of this email. When you have everyone telling you that you're this and you're that and every guy around you praising you for your exploits, all at an early age, you probably learn to survive in a manner that's just not conduscive to being respectful of people.

As I said, I'm not going to slam him because it's not my nature to do so, but there's a reason Bronson and I don't get along and I believe it's for all the reasons that are being discussed on this board. The money, the so called gambling, those aren't the problems, their just symptoms of a much deeper problem. Slamming him or the young lady will not help anything, if anything we all should reflect and learn from this story and be hopeful that both of them eventually learn from it, because as quiet as its kept, Bronson and this lady are not part of a dying breed, but a growing one. I've been convicted myself, not because I've done anything on this scale, but because I have display similar types of behavior in my past and irregardless of what scale it done on, all of us have displayed the foundational characteristic at some point in our past and it's called SELFISHNESS!!!

Lashing out at each other disrespecfully only supports this claim!!!!

AnissaBrks · Post by **AnissaBrks** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:32 pm

You are clearly borderline illiterate. Coincidentally, so is Bronson. Isn't it nice that you visit your old friends.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:39 pm

justice wrote:People leave his family out of it really were you sleeping with or paying them i am sure they are talking to him about what he's done but only he can answer to what he's done and the kids almost all of you stated that they would be embarssed by this how may i ask if you claim that they don't really know him. don't involve innocent people to make yourselves feel better about being stupid his family did not date you and until you were left behind you had no problem giving him money that's what's sad about it , he asked you gave.

"sleeping with or paying them".....Should Bronson look at this as a form of payment for is company, would this make him a whore or a con......maybe a bit of both? As for the kids being embarassed.....of course they would be. Who wants their father to be a sleep around thief? No reason to address the stupid statement. My guess, the great lover didn't leave anyone behind as long as they were handing over the cash. As far as him asking, this would only demonstrate a pure lack of pride and self esteem. I can't imagine having to ask for someone else's money, because I don't have any that I earned myself. He is so at the mercy of women....poor soul!

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:41 pm

justice wrote:
kATHERINE, kATHERINE, kATHERINE, how stupid are you come on i have scene your picture and for a man as good looking as bronson to even be scene with you should cost money honey don't you realize that men that are gorgeous without a job play on stupid women like yourself and actually i think you owe him some more money to think if he had sex with you with that body girl plz consider yourself repayed and the police girl plz you have nothing but a civil case if anything and if you have nothing signed saying it was a loan that your ass of luck , police have better things to do if he did not steal the money from you they have no cause how stupid are you! be greatful and learn from it why is that the you ugly ducklings luck up on a cute guy and lose your mine a man that is gorgeous without a job and tons of kids only wants to be supported .why should all females all the sudden rally behind you and your stupidity i have better things to do and as you accused someone else NO! i do not know bronson.

scene or seen? Why are you attacking this woman's appearance? The old saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Perfect example is you finding this average-at-best man to be gorgeous. I would have to say that is more than a stretch. As for Bronson....my guess is she best beholding some cash and he will see the beauty!!! Face it, he is a loser and will most likely never rise from the mud in which he wallows. As far as the women, hopefully they will continue to heal and grow emotionally, regain trust in relationships and recognize their own beauty and self worth.

pissedhusband · Post by **pissedhusband** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:10 am

I am a male victim of Bronson's crimes. He caused my marriage of many years and 3 children later to break up. He came in and played on my wife by sweet talking her. During this time they went to Vegas together, and lost all of our money and caused us to go into great debt. I always wondered why we had money problems, now I know why, Bronson took our money. He had sex with my wife and bragged about it, influenced my children and now a marriage that I thought would last forever is gone because of him. This is unforgivable in my eyes. So married men beware, your wives can be victimes too. I never liked him and now I know why. He swinddled my wife, my childrean and my money right from under my eyes. This has caused me much grief and sorrow.

whatcomesaround · Post by **whatcomesaround** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:48 am

This guy doesn't have a gambling addiction. C'mon. Aren't we smarter than that?? The casino is the safest place for his a**. With all the cameras there, nobody's brother or uncle can touch him there!! Also, it's the perfect place for him to get ten's of thousands of $$$ from his dates! Cash is readily accessible at a casino with no questions asked as to what the money is for. What do you think a guy like this is gonna do, take you to a movie and ask you to bring $10,000 with?? No, he will have you get it on your credit cards at the casino. Then, when you get up to go to the bathroom, all of a sudden, you come back and he has surprisingly done nothing but lose!! Don't you just wonder how many thousands he has pocketed while you were in taking a pee? Had you not taken the time to wash your hands, you may have save a thousand or two! OK, that is just gross, but realistic!

He doesn't have a gambling problem, no. He knows exactly what he is doing. Have any of us girls ever seen him leave the casino a winner? No, because then he would have to give you your money back. Too bad it is too late for us at that point.

I am getting to the point that I think it might be best if the cops DON'T do anything to him. Putting him in prison would be WAY too easy of a lifestyle for him. Why should society as a whole have to pay for his food and housing and a babysitter for the rest of his life?? No, and I think the legal system may agree. I think they intentionally leave people like this at the hands of society to deal with. Wouldn't be surprised if someday he ends up missing. I mean seriously, when a guy takes this kind of money from so many people, there are alot of pissed off people having lesser lifestyles and looking for his a**. Not sure the so-called "good looks" and smooth talking would do much for a person at that point. Like you say, someday, in some way, this man will pay for the things he has done. The best thing to do is to get the word out as much as possible so that other girls in the future can be forewarned. Karma will get him in the end anyway.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:13 am

pissedhusband wrote:I am a male victim of Bronson's crimes. He caused my marriage of many years and 3 children later to break up. He came in and played on my wife by sweet talking her. During this time they went to Vegas together, and lost all of our money and caused us to go into great debt. I always wondered why we had money problems, now I know why, Bronson took our money. He had sex with my wife and bragged about it, influenced my children and now a marriage that I thought would last forever is gone because of him. This is unforgivable in my eyes. So married men beware, your wives can be victimes too. I never liked him and now I know why. He swinddled my wife, my childrean and my money right from under my eyes. This has caused me much grief and sorrow.

Your story saddens me. To be betrayed by your wife, have someone you love be fooled and children hurt. I can only begin to imagine your pain. Just the affair would send many into a tailspin. You are certainly an innocent victim. As parents, the one thing we can do is raise our sons to be men (in the true meaning of the word) and teach our daughters to love themselves first giving them the power to make good choices. I wish you and your children well. Not that it really matters, do you know if most of his victims are white women?

axel · Post by **axel** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:29 am

Pretty clever, huh?

axel · Post by **axel** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:37 am

swmom wrote: Your story saddens me. To be betrayed by your wife, have someone you love be fooled and children hurt. I can only begin to imagine your pain. Just the affair would send many into a tailspin. You are certainly an innocent victim. As parents, the one thing we can do is raise our sons to be men (in the true meaning of the word) and teach our daughters to love themselves first giving them the power to make good choices. I wish you and your children well. Not that it really matters, do you know if most of his victims are white women?

Yes, most of his victims are white women.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:56 am

axel wrote:Pretty clever, huh?

What is really scarey, is he tries to justify not paying his own way in society. When he rented from you (yes, I am using the term "rented" loosely) did he list a woman on his application? I just figured he might so when he jumps ship, someone else is left with the bill. My guess was the Range Rover was a lease (in someone else's name) and he drove it, while some poor woman is driving around in a Kia. As for the women that wouldn't give him the time of day, I am sure he told his girlfriends these women where just jealous. There are way too many Bronsons out there!!! C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L!!!

thetruth2325 · Post by **thetruth2325** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:01 am

Damn! When I initially started reading about Bronson's exploits, I thought it was kind of funny. I know him and never really looked at him as a "lady's man". I mean, he is a very funny and likeable guy, but not clever enough to grab a couple hundred thousand from women.... At least so I thought. However, after reading all of the blogs, I had to write and voice my opinion. I do feel bad for the women (and husbands....I read about a few husbands becoming broke because of him) who have been put through the ringer. However, I do not feel that legal action is appropriate (in most cases...the stolen check thing is a different set of circumstances) because these women did "give" him the money. If the money was given to Bronson with the intent of making a profit ( "give me $7,000 and I'll try to flip it to $10,000), than it will most definitely be viewed as an investment gone bad. If the money was given to him so "he could book a flight", "get a hotel", or anything else, it is considered a gift unless agreed upon in writing. The women who were involved in these situation have to take it as a learning one, and move on. I think it was smart to give the situation publicity, but I think that is about as far as the situation will probably go. Bronson may have not have been thinking about all of the hardships he was putting on people's lives, but because of this publicity, he probably now knows that what he did was wrong. He has kids (and I think its wrong for people to put them on these blogs..where his son attends school and such) and I'm sure he will look at the mistakes he has made and try his best to ammend them. I am not taking sides, but I do know that he comes from a good family and am sure they are equally disgusted as the rest of the community is. Hopefully, the women involved in his lifestyle will someday regroup. I also hope that Bronson himself one day will recoup from this, as all people deserve a second chance.

MinnesotasFinest · Post by **MinnesotasFinest** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:39 am

Come on now people- How many WOMEN black, white or whatever, even MEN for that matter wine and dine the people they are dating, courting or dealing with? White women in particular have been giving money and gifts trying to snag them a "BROTHER" for many years now. Seriously most of these white women are not that attractive to the masses. I mean when I watched the news I was like Woah! But thats just my opinion I mean they probably are gorgeous people inside. But back on the topic at hand White women in particular have been doing this for a very long time until the "BROTHER" does something that they aren't pleased with, then they want to hollar "Rape" or ask for their money and gifts back. Now HOLD ON HOLD ON I already know people of NON color particularly WHITE people will say awww that's ludicrous. But ask a white woman dealing with black men to be completly honest with you and I know they will uncandidly tell you what their real intentions are and were and that they don't mind doing this kind of thing for them. AND do this time and time again.

Now I was just talking about not so attractive to the masses white women getting taken advantage of but also can attest to NOT so attractive, overweight, ect. white women who are happily in relationships and marriages to very gorgeous and successful black men. So the situation can go either or. True indeed I believe some were mislead and lied to but the majority did this knowing full well what they were doing and were not expecting or even wanting to get reimbursed for these gifts, that is until the brother did something that pissed these poor women off-

a minneapolis sista-

axel · Post by **axel** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:02 pm

who are too humiliated to come forward. The ones that are doing something are brave as there is the "how can they be so stupid" attitude. No matter what, he shouldn't be able to get away with that. Get a job loser. like the rest of us.

LadyM · Post by **LadyM** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:18 pm

The women who have come forward to try and warn others, and to make Mr. McNeal responsible for his actions are indeed brave. My original point, though, still stands. Those that are only bemoaning their lost money and naivete were very foolish. The news media have also added an unfair amount of "poor me" attitude to the stories perhaps without the permission of the women involved. I suspect they(the media) tried to play that sympathy card to increase view/reader outrage.

None of this excuses the conduct of Mr. McNeal. If he were selling cars and using these tactics, he'd be in court. Maybe he'd just better find himself a streetcorner and peddle his wares the way honest hookers do.

MovingOn · Post by **MovingOn** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:51 pm

People want to keep hearing more and more stories and wanting women to "come forward". Why? Does it matter if it was twenty women or hundreds of women (which I'm sure is more like it?)? All the stories are the same or similar. You GAVE him the money because you were blinded by his attentiveness. He makes you feel on top of the world for a short time. But, once there was no more money, he was gone for most. I am sure there are women he continues to con who don't see the light and/or are thinking they're different or they will get their money back. You won't and you're not. But, they have to find that out for themselves, just like everybody else did. But, do you think plastering this all over the news and internet is helping the victims to move on? The women who are consuming themselves once again in all of this and him have to start dealing all over from the beginning once again. In all, Bronson does not care about any of this - who he hurt, who he broke, who he lied to, who he cheated on, who he made broken promises to. He got what he wanted and he moved on. He didn't have a conscience when he was doing all of this and he doesn't have a conscience now.

BronsonSux · Post by **BronsonSux** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:59 pm

What these women are learning is that standing up for yourself is not easy or always a good idea. Originally, they said they did this to prevent it from happening to others and that he had not defeated them even though he broke them financially. What they didn't anticipate was going on trial for their actions. Did they hurt anyone but themselves? I don't think so. Did Bronson? Definitely. Cut these ladies some slack because maybe they saved your sister, wife, or daughter from the same fate. Then again, maybe they didn't do anything to help you. So no harm, no foul. Some of you are acting like these women hurt you in some way. If you don't want to hear their bitching, don't log on to this site. I doubt it is easy for any of them to relive their hurt. But since they have to or have chosen to, maybe they are finding answers by leaning on each other. Everyone wants Bronson to be left alone (at least until he does it to you or someone you love). Leave these women alone. I'm sure they would take back saying anything to the press if they could. It has given them nothing but trouble.

Frasier · Post by **Frasier** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:16 pm

I wonder how many of these women who are defending Bronson McNeal are involved with this sh*tbag at this moment. If you are still involved with him, take a lesson from what his victims have said on TV and here. Are you getting paid for defending him? I don't think so. By the way he scams women, I believe you are paying him to defend him.

BronsonSux wrote:Cut these ladies some slack because maybe they saved your sister, wife, or daughter from the same fate.

This says it all! Having this sh*tbag exposed is like alerting people of a nasty flu. All the victims are doing an outstanding public service by telling their stories.

A word to "MinnesotasFinest" sista - you are truly the finest turd in a 90-year-old's diaper. Regardless how fine you are, you are still a worthless piece of sh*t.

A word to "MovingOn" - why don't you move in with Bronson McNeal? Don't forget to bring your credit card and checkbook?

A word to "justice" - justice will not be served until you take an elemtary school writing class.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:31 pm

MinnesotasFinest wrote:

Come on now people- How many WOMEN black, white or whatever, even MEN for that matter wine and dine the people they are dating, courting or dealing with? White women in particular have been giving money and gifts trying to snag them a "BROTHER" for many years now. Seriously most of these white women are not that attractive to the masses. I mean when I watched the news I was like Woah! But thats just my opinion I mean they probably are gorgeous people inside. But back on the topic at hand White women in particular have been doing this for a very long time until the "BROTHER" does something that they aren't pleased with, then they want to hollar "Rape" or ask for their money and gifts back. Now HOLD ON HOLD ON I already know people of NON color particularly WHITE people will say awww that's ludicrous. But ask a white woman dealing with black men to be completly honest with you and I know they will uncandidly tell you what their real intentions are and were and that they don't mind doing this kind of thing for them. AND do this time and time again.

Now I was just talking about not so attractive to the masses white women getting taken advantage of but also can attest to NOT so attractive, overweight, ect. white women who are happily in relationships and marriages to very gorgeous and successful black men. So the situation can go either or. True indeed I believe some were mislead and lied to but the majority did this knowing full well what they were doing and were not expecting or even wanting to get reimbursed for these gifts, that is until the brother did something that pissed these poor women off-

a minneapolis sista-

If you believe what you wrote, you are either as naive as the women who lost money to this crook or a crook yourself. You can not excuse his behavior. Set the women aside for a moment...what kind of person lives in a place beyond their means and skips out on rent. He is a thief. In the real world, wining and dining or dating consists of getting to know someone, not stealing their money to meet your living expenses. The people in our social circle wouldn't give the time of day to someone who can't meet their own living expense. This would go for both men and women. There is a huge difference between a gift and borrowing money. No, it doesn't need to be in writing to be a loan. I can honestly say, my friends are good for their word. I am sure in the mind of the victim if he said borrow they thought it would be repaid. If they would have asked for something in writing, most likely he would have given them the line "come on, you know I am good for it" or maybe instilled fear.

As far as white women wanting to snag a brother, oh what a catch. What this amounts to is a man seeing the vulnerable and a woman wanting to be desired. Maybe some of these woman don't have the best luck dating guys. You then get this bozo who comes along and says things they aren't use to hearing. Leads them to believe he loves them and she falls for it. Let's be realistic, I will go with your theory for a minute, why would someone give a gift of this magnitude just to date an unemployed, under educated brother. I am sure the birthday presents to friends and family weren't of this size. People that work for their money, don't go around handing out gifts worth maybe half their annual income to someone they are dating. You don't honestly believe these women found him so charming they wanted to hand over everything and then some? Here, take what I have, ruin my credit, destoy my self esteem, and leave me in financial ruins all for your company. They obviously didn't see the truth.. Just because someone is naive, it doesn't justify a crime. That thought process belongs to criminals. These women may have unknowingly created opportunity, but it still doesn't justify his behavior. Bronson needs to take responsibility for his actions. We should not shame the victims for exposing him. It is their right and a chance he took.

highlife · Post by **highlife** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:35 pm

Minneapolis sista-

You have to be fricken kidding me!!! You are totally be judgemental towards these women, does this make you feel better? And about them trying to snag a "brother'" is absolutely ludacris!! To make it worse you target that they are white and they are just asking for it or something? That is absolutely not true!!! You are being completely nauive yourself with those statments. Just let you know not all of those women who are victims are what you would say "unattractive" even if they are what is to you to assume they have no self-esteem or confidence in themselves? Do you know them all to say that? I figure not!!! How do you know if all his victims are white women? And when comes to snagging a 'brother' as you say don't some 'brothers' like large women??? Trust me if this happened to you, I am sure you would be stating your negative comments about Bronson just as these other women are? Right? Just think about what comes out of your mouth cause if you think it may could have happened to you as well!! I am not saying that I wish it did or anything cause I wouldn't want what happened to me to happen to any other woman.

probe · Post by **probe** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:10 pm

Been working so havent been able to check in Comoments

MovingOn: You really make no sense. Certainly you are correct when you wrote ” He didn't have a conscience when he was doing all of this and he doesn't have a conscience now.” MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU, IF HE DOESN’T CARE, THEN WHY DO YOU? I would assume you are an adult, do what you have to do, but you don’t have the right to tell the rest of us how to live our life, do you? If you are moving on as you say, why do you keep posting on this page?

MPLS SISTA, you are just plain racist. Basically you are saying since his victims were all probably white women (THEY WERE NOT HE IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ASS) they deserve to be swindled. That same kind of logic was used to rape our female ancestors. Start a post on why you hate white women so much, cos this bulls*** has nothing to do with this topic.

Thrice: He is the one that brings his kid into it. One thing he plays is that he needs money for kids doctors, he needs to pay his kids tuition money. You think his kids haven’t heard about this. Some kid he used to coach wrote about him on MYSPACE. You think it hasn’t gotten back to his kid. What mother allows her child to be around such a man? She must be benefiting from the scams. I don’t get it.

Pissedhusband: How sad that your kids had to be hurt out of this. Stay strong.

TheTruth: See my comments to Thrice. His kid is a well known athlete with an uncommon first name, a black kid at a private school. Anyone can figure who his kid is if they want. Seems like Bronson got the information deleted from the other websites so I fail to see why you are bugging over it.

My fellow victims: We will never get a dime from this man. We need to accept that, but it is bothering him. He is threatening to sue people that own web pages. I have heard from his victims and he is striking out at some. I love that it won’t go away. I think if we can find a way to get together, we may be able to get something done. Until then we can be supportive of one another.

FINALLY A WARNING TO VICTIMS. I think he is trying to identify the women who are speaking out. Someone is sending emails and messages asking all kinds of weird questions. I suggest you keep your information close to your vest.

BronsonSux · Post by **BronsonSux** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:12 pm

Ok ladies, you say the police won't help you. Others on this site say you need to convince the prosecutor to put a case together. Does anyone know how to do that? Is there a group of you willing to talk to the police collectively? Post your suggestions on this site. Be part of the solution. Take action to get justice.

Clearly, the civil courts cannot help you since he apparently runs through hundreds of thousands of dollars a year without a darn thing to show for it. So pursue him in the criminal courts. I'm sure each of you has evidence of the crime. Someone posted a recording of his promises to repay yesterday (not sure what happend to it). When he gets convicted, his supporters can visit him. I hope they have enough bus money left to get to Lino Lakes.

probe · Post by **probe** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:30 pm

I FORGOT. http://www.freewebs.com/snowjustice/myb ... id=1138921

I started a website last week. and promptly got busy and haven't had time to do much more.

Its a place for the vicitims to discuss things and maintain our privacy as i am pretty certain he is trying to figure out who is speaking out against him.

I dont know a thing about doing this but I am sure I will learn over time, so its very raw. If you are interested please let check it out, post comments, your story ect. At the very least we can keep his name out there so others wont have the same fate.

Anyone know any lawyers that might be able to give us some advice?

Anyone k now anyone in the justice system that might give us advice?

It would nice to get input from someone in the legal system.

You know, those of us who have gone to the police got the run around, no proove we cant do anything..yaddah yaddah yaddah.

Could the DA or ATTorney General continue to ignore us if a large group of his victims got together and presented them our stories in front of the media? He is relying on our embarassment and shame to silence us. He is assuming he can get us to be silent again by saying we are all just love sick women who cant get over him. I realize that all of our circumstances are different but sadly there are quite a few of us.

Anywho, bye

highlife · Post by **highlife** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:33 pm

To you answer your question the only way a prosecutor might start building a case against him is if more woman start filing either lawsuits or reports to the police about a possible theft. The theft charge might not work due to the fact like others have stated you must show the burden of proof that he had no intention of paying you pack. You would need a signed document saying he was going to pay you back at a certain time or made some type of threat to you that if you didn't give him the money he would have put your life in danger. The only other option would be like some else stated is to report him to the IRS for tax fraud cause if he isn't reporting this as a gift or income on his taxes then its fraud. If the women can show that they have him so much money and they see that he didn't claim that has income or as a gift on his income taxes then he didn't pay taxes. If the amount that was given to him exceeds a certain amount (which I dont know) then he's liable for paying back taxes on all that money he owes to each individual woman. When you report him to the IRS, if hes found guilty of tax fraud he doesn't only have to pay the taxes back, he goes to jail and the person that reports him makes a percentage of that money that he owes as a reward. So not only does he have to pay he will be in jail!!!

probe · Post by **probe** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:56 pm

Highlife:

Some woman has a $103K judgement against him. Wonder if he declared that? Her name is in on file with the courts. KMSP found several judgements. Would that be enough for the IRS I wonder?

Ok a thought, his "supporters" (most of whom I really think are him) are making this about the women he has victimized and its irrelevant. I am sure there are many reasons all of us found ourselves in this position. Fact is, he is a master at manipulating and seeks out women for the purpose of taking thier money. What they are doing is akin to asking the rape victim why they wore certain clothes when they were raped. Its irrelevant.

Being able to read people and manipulate them, does not give him the right to do it so he can go gamble or buy shit so he can maintain an image. Its a skill he can easily for a legitimate line purpose. But he cant really. A background check would likely prevent him from getting a legitimate job, though he apparently seems to think he is above that.

Fact is, these people do not know us or a thing about our lives. We simply made mistakes, which people are allowed to do. That does not excuse him from a damned thing. Returning to the rape analogy, prosecutors hate to have women on the jury because they judge the victim much harsher than men do. They want to make it the womans fault they were raped, it makes them feel safer. Any of these women writing that its our fault, I think they are the same way. Life is a journey, there are speedbumps and pot holes along the way. This is just one we happen to share. We have survived it and hopefully we can be a pothole in his life. Karma is a Bytch.

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:15 pm

If you ever have any doubt whether Bronson McNeal had committed any crimes, take a look of what has happened to his "twin brother" Hanad Musse Samantar. Hanad Samantar did exactly what Bronson McNeal has been doing - conning women for money. The Eden Prairie police are looking for him. 5 counts of theft by swindle charges have been filed against him. So, if any Bronson McNeal's victims live in Eden Prairie, talk to the police or prosecutor.

As I stated before, women's questionable decisions can't be used as excuses for McNeal's swindle. If I leave my house unlocked while on vacation for a month, does that give any thief the right to come in and walk out with my big screen TV?

The Enron money scam has led to Jeff Skilling's sitting in a jail cell in Waseca. It so happened because he pulled the same scam on tens of thousands of victims. In the Hanad Samantar case, 5 victims have come forward and that magic number 5 is enough to convince the prosecutor that a serious crime has been committed. The police are asking for more victims to come forward so they can build a stronger case.

Why is the number of victims so important? If a pharmacist gave one patient the wrong pill and killed the patient, you call that an accident. If a pharmacist gave 20 patients the wrong pills and killed 20 patients, you call that a murder.

If Bronson McNeal hangs out in Las Vagas often, no one should be surprised that he has many out-of-state victims. If the number of his victims and the amount of money have reached to a level high enough, no prosecutors can look the other way. Also, contact the local and perhaps national media. If they think it is important to alert the public about this scam artist, they will do more investigation for you. You can then present the investigative findings to the local or federal prosecutors.

axel · Post by **axel** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:44 am

Here is the email for the Hennepin County District Attorney
citizeninfo@co.hennepin.mn.us

State your case and write "Bronson McNeal" in the subject line.

probe · Post by **probe** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:50 pm

Thank you for the help.

Other ideas:

This webpage give information on how to report someone for suspected tax fraud. http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforceme ... 78,00.html

You can report tips to the FBI at
https://tips.fbi.gov/

Any other suggestions anyone has would be fantastic.

Thank you

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:56 pm

highlife wrote:To you answer your question the only way a prosecutor might start building a case against him is if more woman start filing either lawsuits or reports to the police about a possible theft. The theft charge might not work due to the fact like others have stated you must show the burden of proof that he had no intention of paying you pack. You would need a signed document saying he was going to pay you back at a certain time or made some type of threat to you that if you didn't give him the money he would have put your life in danger. The only other option would be like some else stated is to report him to the IRS for tax fraud cause if he isn't reporting this as a gift or income on his taxes then its fraud. If the women can show that they have him so much money and they see that he didn't claim that has income or as a gift on his income taxes then he didn't pay taxes. If the amount that was given to him exceeds a certain amount (which I dont know) then he's liable for paying back taxes on all that money he owes to each individual woman. When you report him to the IRS, if hes found guilty of tax fraud he doesn't only have to pay the taxes back, he goes to jail and the person that reports him makes a percentage of that money that he owes as a reward. So not only does he have to pay he will be in jail!!!

By all means, please correct me if I am wrong....if this money were to fall under the term "gift" wouldn't the following be true......the "gifter" is responsible for paying the tax on the "gift" given.
It would qualify as income only if the person paying filed a 1099. As far as the tax fraud, I was involved in a case 6 years ago. It involved millions and many hours going over records with IRS agents (investments). Once done, they handed me a informant claim form. The condition of reward (which is also taxable) is based on 1) the IRS would not have discovered this on their own doing 2) Not just the judgement, but the amount of recovery determines the payment of the reward. Payment of reward is determined on a case by case system. From the time I reported the case to the investigation was 4 years, it then took 2 years for the trial, sentencing and settlement. It is my understanding, you must abuse the tax system to be found guilty of tax fraud.

probe · Post by **probe** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:10 pm

Thanks for the information.

If it was a gift why would the women be so upset. In my case, it wasnt a gift and he told me that he was going to pay me back. WE are assuming since it gains were ill gotten he didn't file taxes, maybe he claimed all of his swindled income.....RIGHT.

Lets stick together, what can we lose by trying?

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:50 pm

probe wrote:Thanks for the information.

If it was a gift why would the women be so upset. In my case, it wasnt a gift and he told me that he was going to pay me back. WE are assuming since it gains were ill gotten he didn't file taxes, maybe he claimed all of his swindled income.....RIGHT.

Lets stick together, what can we lose by trying?

I just wanted to clarify I do NOT believe in any way, shape or form that any of this money and/or items were gifts. It was just in regard to contacting the IRS and using the tax fraud angle that I was referring. By no means am I a tax expert, I just wasn't clear other than gift tax how these monies could be reported and/or taxed being it wasn't income. Having experienced the whole tax fraud whistle blowing thing, I wanted you to know it is a lengthy process.

It is so unfortunate when ill behaved idiots manage to worm their way into the life of innocent people. I am fortunate, I can say I was not a victim of his. I have however met the loser and many like him. I think it fabulous idea for you women to try and unite, in order to strike back. I am not sure how he obtained his money from you, but make sure to look for the loophole. The one time he helped himself to your cashcard, credit card or cancelled check with his signature. Pull your credit report. Records of any airline tickets, hotel rooms or entertainment expense that you did not take part in. I don't know what his routine was, taking you along or just taking off with you footing the bill. I bet if you women sat down and compared notes, you may find you all covered duplicate expenses. Maybe he borrowed money from two different women for the same payment, taking much more than the payment, showing swindle. I don't know if any of these ideas help, but I am just brainstorming. I will check back to see how you all are doing! Go get him

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:29 pm

Probe, AnissaBrks, highlife, whatcomesaround, sajsaj, hussled, and other victims:

Since the Eden Prairie Police department has already built a criminal case against Bronson McNeal's copycat Hanard Samantar, you can save a lot of time by asking how they went about bringing 5 counts of theft by swindle against Samantar. The Eden Prairie police are interested in finding more victims of Hanard Samantar. I'd think they will be interested in hearing cases of similar crimes. The contact person at Eden Prairie for Hanad Samantar case is Sgt. Olson at 952-949-6280.

Call him and ask for help. Also find the city prosecutors for Eden Prairie and ask them what are needed to build a theft by swindle case. It is a lot easier than starting from scratch.

whatcomesaround · Post by **whatcomesaround** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:15 am

Since it seems that there may be some "chatters" on here that know McNeal or are McNeal himself, I think that it would be wise not to let anyone know your names, email addresses, ph. numbers, etc. Yes, I think getting a huge group of his victims together is a good idea. But let's be smart. Use the resources that have been suggested by Terry or others. Let's all go to Tom Lyden on Fox 9 news or to America's Most Wanted or something. Contact one another thru them and get something done. Just make sure you are smart about it. Remember, there is a crook with a computer amongst us!!!! Oh, pardon me, that was WAY too many uses of punctuation for him!

probe · Post by **probe** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:24 pm

According to the last report on KMSP, the owner of this website traced most of the posts from "Bronsons" so called supporters to one place. So it is definitely him or more likely on of his girlfriends computers. He has some doing is dirty work also.

He is working hard to identify us, so I agree BE VERY CAREFUL!!

Again, remember, he is NOT denying anything he is accused, simply saying that it is our fault because we are:

Love sick and cant get over him.

Ugly white women.

whatcomesaround · Post by **whatcomesaround** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:28 pm

Okay, Ladies. I called Sgt. Olson today. Please don't call him. They can only look into it if you are a victim from Eden Prairie. Otherwise, you have to take the case to your local authorities and prosecutor. I have already done this. Another option is to get the group of us together, as many as possible, and go to the State Attorney General to see if something can be done. I guess that goes with the saying, 'There is strength in numbers'.

Anybody have any other ideas? I did write to the state of Mn and the IRS about it. Wouldn't hurt for the rest to do the same. Maybe send up some red flags to them, getting a dozen or more letters on the same case.

whatcomesaround · Post by **whatcomesaround** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:38 pm

Anybody wants to check out the attorney generals website, go here:

www.ag.state.mn.us

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:45 pm

Here is the phone number of the Eden Prairie City Prosecutor's Office: 612-338-0755

Perhaps the prosecutor who handled the Hanad Samantar case can shed some light on what Bronson McNeal's victims should do.

Dakota County Attoney's Office:
Phone: 651-438-4438
Web site
Email

Hennepin County Attorney's Office:
Phone: 612-348-5550
Web site
Email: citizeninfo@co.hennepin.mn.us

Ramey County Attorney's Office:
Phone: 651-266-3222
Email: RCA@co.ramsey.mn.us
Web Site

Anoka County Attoney's Office:
Phone: 763-323-5586
Email: rs-attorney@co.anoka.mn.us
Web Site

Washington County Attorney's Office:
Phone: 651-430-6115
Web Site

If you don't live in one of these counties, just Google your county attorney's office.

whatcomesaround wrote:'There is strength in numbers'

Agreed! If a pharmacist gave one patient the wrong pill and killed the patient, you call that an accident. If a pharmacist gave 20 patients the wrong pills and killed 20 patients, you call that a murder.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:42 pm

"By all means, please correct me if I am wrong....if this money were to fall under the term "gift" wouldn't the following be true......the "gifter" is responsible for paying the tax on the "gift" given. "

If the lender denies that it was a gift, I doubt the IRS would allow the recipient to claim it as such. If there was any question, they would ask the giver what their intent was when turning over the money. How they treat cash recieved and never repaid, I don't know. With the sums of money involved, the burden of proof is on the guy who got the money.

LadyM · Post by **LadyM** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:02 am

And if you have proof of money given to him, i.e. copies of checks, withdrawl slips, IOU's from him, please keep them as well and provide them to law enforcement. The more proof you provide, the better the chance of him actually being held accountable.

omigosh · Post by **omigosh** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 am

Alright this is kind of a follow up to my own post a few weeks back. I posted it just after reading what everyone else read and was just pissed off and in shock...not exactly the most mature way to handle things. i should have spoken to him before saying anything...and have since spoken with him. He hasn't denied anything or tried to hide anything which i do respect. i can see things from both sides, and pretty much i am neutral on it all. Yes i feel bad for the women who lost out on things i know what its like ive had things like that happen to me before which is why i don't trust anyone. Basically what he did is human nature. He wasn't stealing from the women, maybe taking advantage of them but thats a little different from stealing. It happens every day to some degree. If he asks for money in a casino its to gamble. Like someone else said you give him some he wants to flip in into more which i know he is capable of...a very skilled gambler actually. BUT even the best gambler doesn't always win. So if you give him money and he loses...thats it you call it a day. If he wins that day im almost positive he pays you back right?
But anyways to give anyone all that money to support their gambling knowing hes not paying you back...of course theyd take advantage honestly who can say they wouldn't. Why keep giving though. It just doesn't make sense. I don't think he should go to jail for that he didn't do anything that wrong. It sucks but just suck it up and move on and learn from it.
Anyways i know this guy and he isn't such a bad guy. Hes great to talk to great sense of humor, pretty much real from what i can see, and just easy to be around. hes never asked me for anything and hes cool with me even knowing that i have nothing. so i was a little quick to pass judgement on him in that last post i made and i feel bad for that.
He's paying for his mistakes, maybe not financially but he's paying. Ya'll have publically humiliated him....in some ways thats punishment enough don't you think? cut him some slack. hes a good guy just use common sense with him like you should be doing with everyone else right?
and hey look on the bright side it can always be worse. im sure theres a lot of people who wish their biggest worry was some lost money. there's way crazier people out there than this dude.

LadyM · Post by **LadyM** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:20 pm

omigosh...

You are joking, right? If a man steals from his family over and over, or from his clients, that would be prosecuted, right? If he lies about returning money, or defaults on a loan, he is held accountable, yes?

Why should Mr. McNeal be treated differently? I gave the original "quit whining" comment to his victims, but I still believe McNeal committed fraud at least and theft by swindle in these cases. If we just take a "boys will be boys" attitude, it only reinforces to him and others that this type of activity is acceptable.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:04 pm

thrice wrote:"By all means, please correct me if I am wrong....if this money were to fall under the term "gift" wouldn't the following be true......the "gifter" is responsible for paying the tax on the "gift" given. "

If the lender denies that it was a gift, I doubt the IRS would allow the recipient to claim it as such. If there was any question, they would ask the giver what their intent was when turning over the money. How they treat cash recieved and never repaid, I don't know. With the sums of money involved, the burden of proof is on the guy who got the money.

Yes - The first is a PARTIAL QUOTE of my post. But you completely missed my point...... If you expect Bronson to pay tax on the money he took - 1) It would need to fall under income. An unpaid loan is debt. You do not pay tax on money you owe. If left unpaid, it can be claimed as a loss by a business loaning the funds. Why it isn't good to make personal loans. 2) My point regarding it as a gift WHICH I WILL STATE AGAIN....I DO NOT BELIEVE THE MONEY WAS GIVEN AS A GIFT.......if you use that angle with the IRS, the "Gifter" is responsible for the tax. The "gifter" being you. Why pay money on money you lost. 3) As far as receiving a reward, I was only stating my experience which involved a criminal tax case. I really don't see how you all have tied this to the IRS. He hasn't abused the tax system, he abused his victims. 4) A separate matter, the burden of proof unfortunately isn't on the guy who got the money. Should you have a criminal case the proof is always on the courts, not on the defendant. In a civil case you stand a better shot.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:26 pm

I shouldn't have brought up the issue of "taxable gifts". Let's focus again on the idea that these distributions of cash were a loan. An attorney should be consulted, and perhaps free legal advice from a qualified person is available to victims. Here is what the Wisconsin Bar Association says about bad debts written off by the lender:

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Discharge of Indebtedness

Whenever a debt is forgiven or discharged, there is the potential for taxable income to you. This is because under the Internal Revenue Code (IRC), the general rule is that a discharged debt is taxable income to the debtor to the extent of the forgiven indebtedness. Obviously, the last thing you need is to replace one debt with another to the federal government for taxes on the income that is "deemed" to be generated when a debt is forgiven.

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In other words, if you notify a person owing you money that their debt is forgiven, it appears that they are then liable for that money as income. Might be a strategy worth considering in the pursuit of justice.

swmom · Post by **swmom** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:18 am

thrice wrote:I shouldn't have brought up the issue of "taxable gifts". Let's focus again on the idea that these distributions of cash were a loan. An attorney should be consulted, and perhaps free legal advice from a qualified person is available to victims. Here is what the Wisconsin Bar Association says about bad debts written off by the lender:

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Discharge of Indebtedness

Whenever a debt is forgiven or discharged, there is the potential for taxable income to you. This is because under the Internal Revenue Code (IRC), the general rule is that a discharged debt is taxable income to the debtor to the extent of the forgiven indebtedness. Obviously, the last thing you need is to replace one debt with another to the federal government for taxes on the income that is "deemed" to be generated when a debt is forgiven.

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In other words, if you notify a person owing you money that their debt is forgiven, it appears that they are then liable for that money as income. Might be a strategy worth considering in the pursuit of justice.

There is the potential for taxable income - with potential being the key word. I believe what you are talking about is taking a bad debt deduction. If you do so, you release all further claim to that money. The only benefit to you I can see, would be a capital loss, which if you have a large amount of capital gains (investments), this could help offset it. Providing you a possible tax break. I don't know if there is a cap in regards to AGI. Before any of this can happen, you need documented proof that this was a loan and not a gift. If I remember reading, he had you cash a stolen check. I can't see how him having you unknowingly do so would constitute a loan by any stretch of the imagination. I really don't get the pursuit of the IRS. I respect your opinion and the need to right a wrong. I agree what he did was wrong. However, my guess is if you don't have proof of a criminal case at a local/state level how in the world would you stand a chance in a federal case with the IRS? Just curious, why wouldn't the prosecutors press charges?

bottomline · Post by **bottomline** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:03 pm

Ladies---- I first want to say I can't imagine the frustration you all must feel. I think what happened to you all is horrible. But, I feel like the true problem in all of this is addiction. From everything I have read about this guy and seen on the news he has a horrible addiction to gambling. If you ladies truly want him to not do this to someone else then it seems to me that you all should get together and try to get him some rehabilitation for his gambling addiction. Addiction can do some very ugly things to people. The news report really tells it all. He is a prisoner to gambling. The only true way to get him to stop doing this is to get him the help he needs to get over his addiction. I am sorry, I don't know anyone involved in this and I am sure this is so hard for all of you, but the bigger picture I think is the underlying addiction. Just a thought everyone.

LadyM · Post by **LadyM** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:05 pm

Close to a solution, but off just a bit.

Bronson McNeal needs to take steps to solve his gambling addiction. Getting him help for it will do no good if he's not willing to follow through.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:27 pm

Bronson McNeal also seems to have a bad addiction to Land Rovers, gold bling, fancy clothes, cell phones, and private schools for his kids. I wonder who offers treatment for that?

bottomline · Post by **bottomline** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:52 pm

I agree that one needs to admit a problem before one can move to get help and move on. But, what if you have an alcoholic who can't recognize the severity, a drug addict that doesn't admit to it. Many times people are forced into treatment. They are not able to seek it for themselves. They are not strong enough to get the help they need. Harder, but in the long run a benefit to all. As for the LadyM comment. I am sorry you are so bitter. I realize it is easy to see in from the outside when one is not personally involved. I understand people seem to lash back and want to hurt back to get revenge or to move in a different direction. But, when time has passed you will hopefully see that revenge is not the answer. If there are children involved then I would lean towards forcing him into rehab even more. Children need someone to fight for them. Bashing him and having people bash the victims is not an answer. The root of the problem is the gambling. That is all I am saying. Addiction is horrible and ugly. It tears lives apart and ruins people's souls. I agree he has done some horrible things. I also think that he has an image he feels he needs to uphold to cover something much deeper. I am just saying this addiction has caused pain, heartache, evil, and hatred. No winner ever. Just a trail of pain. I am not trying to tell anyone to do anything. I just read this and feel sorrow. The cycle has to end somewhere to allow everyone to move on. That's all. Take it for what it is worth. Just another view. No judgement, the world has enough already.

thrice · Post by **thrice** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:30 pm

"If there are children involved then I would lean towards forcing him into rehab even more"

Who's going to force him? What law? You don't have the ability to force a drunk to sober up, a drug addict to quit drugs, or a gambler to stop gambling. Only a judge can do that. And they do it when they have the person in front of them on criminal charges, and they tell them that they have the choice to get help or go to jail. That's how the real world works. And maybe that's the only language Bronson McNeal will understand.